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New Britain Board of Ed President Sharon Beloin-Saavedra has accepted an invitation to speak to the CPOA at New Britain City Hall at 7pm on the 4th Thursday in September 2010. She is asking BOE Member Paul Carver to accompany her to the CPOA meeting.
Ditch her!
The math just doesn't add up. They have 852 teachers by their own numbers, so if you lay off 100, that leaves 752 teachers. With 10,000 students (their numbers again) that would be 13 students per class.
The only explanation would be that they have loads of teachers who don't teach--getting paid as teachers, but sitting behind a desk pushing paper around--or maybe producing TV commercials and glossy magazines. Maybe they need to put all their teachers in the classroom where they belong, or is there a union rule against that too?
This current administration is disconnected from the majority of the population. They are only interested in cramming their socialist agenda down our throats as fast as they can get away with it.
sounds like at least half of the teachers are not even in the classroom. what do they do?
must be working on catering the lunches for Kurtz, at our expense!
" Anonymous said...
The math just doesn't add up. They have 852 teachers by their own numbers, so if you lay off 100, that leaves 752 teachers. With 10,000 students (their numbers again) that would be 13 students per class."
Sir, with all due respect, although your math is OK your reasoning isn't. There is definitely more to the situation than basic math. No offense sir, but you really need to study the problem.
As far as truth is concerned, I'm with you; you are not being told the whole story - some are milking the system and that includes the worst offenders, the parents.
" Anonymous said...
The math just doesn't add up. They have 852 teachers by their own numbers, so if you lay off 100, that leaves 752 teachers. With 10,000 students (their numbers again) that would be 13 students per class."
Sir, with all due respect, although your math is OK your reasoning isn't. There is definitely more to the situation than basic math. No offense sir, but you really need to study the problem.
As far as truth is concerned, I'm with you; you are not being told the whole story - some are milking the system and that includes the worst offenders, the parents.
" Anonymous said...
The math just doesn't add up. They have 852 teachers by their own numbers, so if you lay off 100, that leaves 752 teachers. With 10,000 students (their numbers again) that would be 13 students per class."
Sir, with all due respect, although your math is OK your reasoning isn't. There is definitely more to the situation than basic math. No offense sir, but you really need to study the problem.
As far as truth is concerned, I'm with you; you are not being told the whole story - some are milking the system and that includes the worst offenders, the parents.
The simplest solution would be school vouchers. Then parents could send their children to the schools of their choice, and as more leave New Britain schools for private schools, we can reduce the staffing and thus reduce the cost of payroll, health care and pensions.
The math you are supplying is inaccurate. You may have 752 teachers, but that includes music teachers, art teacher, physical education teacher, etc. A school (K-5) may have 3 classroom teachers per grade (18 classroom teachers) and 450 students for a total of 25 students per classroom. However, on paper that school will have closer to 22 or 23 teachers, which would artificially make it look like you would just have 20 students per classroom. These special area teachers still have a full class load because they will see each class at that school and usually will also travel and service another school as well.
Not saying that the figures provided by Kurtz are entirely accurate - but you can't over simplify the math as a counter argument.
Can Dr. Kurtz brag about a 95% attendance rate, or that 90% of her students go on to a 4 year college??
A Success Story
Messmer Catholic High School in Milwaukee is a voucher success story. Messmer is funded at the 80% level by voucher students. What are the statistics? The daily attendance rate is 95% and 90% of the students go on to a four-year college. This data is holding true every year. This does not include the students that go on to 2-year colleges.
Looking at the success Milwaukee is having, it is pretty hard to argue against vouchers.
PARENTS SHOULD DEMAND A VOUCHER SYSTEM IN NEW BRITAIN, SO "THEY" CAN CHOOSE WHAT SCHOOL THEIR CHILD ATTENDS!
The fact remains that based on the school district's own figures, they have 852 teachers and 10,000 students, so if you do the math, that means just under 12 students per teacher before the layoffs. If you account for the layoffs, that raises the class size to between 14 and 15 per teacher.
To arrive at the 40 students per class that the superintendent is threatening, you can't have more than 250 teachers in the entire school district, so please tell me where are the other 600 teachers, and what do they do?
Frank:
Word has it that the BOE wants to let Kurtz serve out her remaining year in NB before they begin a search for a replacement. What is the rationale for doing this? Oh, I forgot, this Board is not rational about anything it does!
Who do you suppose would be acting Super until a replacement is found????
One of your contributors has been calling for the search to begin immediately. Who is it?
Will we ever get an explanation for where the other 600 teachers are? Must be sitting behind desks in "administrative" assignments like producing glossy magazines and television commercials!
By the district's own numbers, no classroom should have more than 14 students in it, so where are all the teachers hiding???
Frank:
Something is screwy with your blog; you posted the exact same comment 3 times in succession.
You don't have to be a brain surgeon to figure out that the numbers the liberals are feeding the public are screwy! To have 40 students per class as they are threatening, the school district can't have one more teacher than 250 for the 10,000 students, but they have 852--so who is lying?????
According to the July 2008, (the last public figures available) city profile, the New Britain School District had 10,101 total students enrolled:
Public high schools in New Britain:
* New Britain High School (Students: 2568; Location: 110 Mill Street; Grades: 9-12)
* Gaffney School (Students: 639; Location: 322 Slater Road; Grades: PK-12)
* Pulaski Middle School (Students: 901; Location: 757 Farmington Avenue; Grades: 6-10)
* Slade Middle School (Students: 882; Location: 183 Steele Street; Grades: 6-9)
* Chamberlain School (Students: 742; Location: 120 Newington Avenue; Grades: PK-6)
* Smith School (Students: 703; Location: 142 Rutherford Street; Grades: PK-6)
* Smalley Academy (Students: 677; Location: 175 West Street; Grades: KG-6)
* Roosevelt Middle School (Students: 667; Location: 40 Goodwin Street; Grades: 6-10)
* Diloreto Magnet School (Students: 643; Location: 732 Slater Road; Grades: KG-6)
* Lincoln School (Students: 588; Location: 145 Steele Street; Grades: KG-7)
* Holmes School (Students: 578; Location: 2150 Stanley Street; Grades: PK-6)
* Jefferson School (Students: 513; Location: 140 Horse Plain Road; Grades: KG-6)
Total enrollment: 10,101
This breaks down to 11.99 students per teacher.
Lay off 125 teachers, and you get 717 teachers left making your per class population 14.08 students per class.
WHO WOULD EVEN NOTICE THE DIFFERENCE??????????????????
Figure in the 35% daily absentee rate, and you end up after the layoffs with 9.152 students who actually show up in each class, so who is misleading who???
You mean the Democrats are lying to us all?
Say it isn't so!
Nicholas Mercier said...
The math you are supplying is inaccurate. You may have 752 teachers, but that includes music teachers, art teacher, physical education teacher, etc. A school (K-5) may have 3 classroom teachers per grade (18 classroom teachers) and 450 students for a total of 25 students per classroom. However, on paper that school will have closer to 22 or 23 teachers, which would artificially make it look like you would just have 20 students per classroom. These special area teachers still have a full class load because they will see each class at that school and usually will also travel and service another school as well.
Not saying that the figures provided by Kurtz are entirely accurate - but you can't over simplify the math as a counter argument.
SOUNDS LIKE YOU HAVE A LOT OF TEACHERS SITTING AROUND DRINKING COFFEE AND SMOKING CIGARETTES IN THE STAFF LOUNGE MOST OF THE DAY, BECAUSE THE FACT REMAINS IF YOU HAVE 852 TEACHERS AND 10,000 STUDENTS, THAT IS LESS THAN 12 STUDENTS PER TEACHER. MAYBE IT IS TIME TO CHANGE HOW THE TEACHERS ARE ASSIGNED, OR IS THAT AGAINST THE UNION TOO?
Nick Mercier is correct in pointing out that not every teacher has a classroom that corresponds to teacher, student ratio. However, the math point does open the door to the accuracy of the numbers? How many of the 850 teachers are specials, ie: gym, art, music, special ed, etc. vs. those that have a classroom?
Is it true that classrooms are going to grow to nearly 40 per teacher or is this just a hysteria statement presented by Doris Kurtz?
I'd bet that once school starts, this entire mess will die down and you won't hear about huge classrooms.
To answer the question as to why the BOE is letting Kurtz finish her final year is simple $$$$$$$$.
My guess is that it would cost at least $300,000 to buy her out. add to that the cost of her replacement and the money spent for the search and you woukd then add another $200,000. YOU can do the math and then be real. That comes to $500,000.You can then add what price must the district pay in allowing a LAME DUCK to continue
her damage to the district.
Now lets talk rational.
Kurtz doesn't have an assistant that could do the job until a replacement is found?
Even if she had an assistant that could do the job it would still COST OVER $300,000 to buy out her contract.
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